Gypsy Death Curse

Gypsy Death curse has been slightly revised. It is largely the same skill as it always has been, but primarily, it now has a 7th level pre-req. Beyond that, some nuances and details have been fleshed out a bit in the description.

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Gypsy Death Curse (Continuous) Pre-Req: 7th Level
This skill allows a Gypsy to place a Greater Curse upon the person who caused her death. The Gypsy can curse the individual whose action directly caused her death, or can attempt to curse someone else who was responsible for it. To attempt to curse someone responsible for her death, the Gypsy must name the specific person to the Director within an hour of being killed, who will then verify if the named person indeed had some active part in the Gypsy’s death. If the named person did not have an active role in the Gypsy’s death, according to the Directors discretion, then the curse is wasted and has no effect on anyone; if the named person was involved, then the curse is applied to her. The Gypsy must select a curse from the list of Lesser Curses, and the killer will be afflicted with it as a Greater Curse. The Greater Curse will remain in effect on the killer until the Gypsy releases it, or the Gypsy King releases it, or she dies and is resurrected. The effects of this skill will not stand if the Gypsy has avoided in any way taking a death.  This skill bypasses all defenses except for the skill Resist Curse.

A few questions:

• Do you have to know your target's full name?  Their real name?  Or just be able to identify them unambiguously?
• Just to make certain I'm interpreting this correctly, if I wish to curse the person directly responsible for my death, I don't need to know who it is.  If I'm cursing someone who was indirectly responsible, I must know their name.  Is that right?
• Will Gypsies of 6th level or lower lose Gypsy Death Curse?  If not, will they be able to use it before becoming 7th level?
• The skill says that the curse can be removed if the recipient dies and is resurrected.  What if, instead, he is reanimated?

To your last, I quote James but offer no interpretation.

<<The effects of this skill will not stand if the Gypsy has avoided in any way taking a death.>>

Also, you said "can be removed."  James wrote <<The Greater Curse will remain in effect on the killer until ... or she dies and is resurrected.>>  Grammar, Zach, grammar.

You misunderstand my question, Charlie.  I'm not asking about the cursing Gypsy being reanimated.  If the recipient of a Death Curse dies and is resurrected, the curse is lifted.  I want to know if the curse is lifted if, instead of being resurrected, the recipient is reanimated.

A few questions:

• Do you have to know your target's full name?  Their real name?  Or just be able to identify them unambiguously?
• Just to make certain I'm interpreting this correctly, if I wish to curse the person directly responsible for my death, I don't need to know who it is.  If I'm cursing someone who was indirectly responsible, I must know their name.  Is that right?
• Will Gypsies of 6th level or lower lose Gypsy Death Curse?  If not, will they be able to use it before becoming 7th level?
• The skill says that the curse can be removed if the recipient dies and is resurrected.  What if, instead, he is reanimated?

1) No, you don't need to know their name.  Identifying the person to James is an OOG mechanic, so something along the lines of, "that NPC Kimmel was playing" would suffice.

2)  Corerect.  You could not say something like "I'm cursing whoever hired this assassin".  You would have to be able to name someone.

3)  They will lose it and have to relearn it upon reaching 7th level.

4)  If a person is reannimated, the curse will remain on the target.  The curse will only be lifted if the PC actually takes a death.

--Skimmel

For question 2, what I was clarifying was that if I want to curse the immediate cause of my death, I don't need to be able to identify them beyond "the person who killed me."  Is that correct?

For question 2, what I was clarifying was that if I want to curse the immediate cause of my death, I don't need to be able to identify them beyond "the person who killed me."  Is that correct?

If the definition of "the person who killed me" you are using is 'whoever struck the final blow', then no, you do not need to identify them any further than that.

Names or specific identifiers are only necessary when trying to curse someone who is not the person who stabbed you last.

What if there is an instance where a gypsy is attacked by multiple people, and is allowed to bleed out instead of  receiving a killing blow.  If you name the 'person who killed me' who receives the death curse?

Technically, it should be the last person who struck you.  In the case where it's impossible to tell, I'd say you'd have to pick one of the attackers.

--Skimmel

What if I am using expert disguise? Can they just say "dave morris" and bypast the fact that I am disguised?

Yes.

--Sean

An out of game name cannot be used. You have to know the character name.. UNLESS the character who killed you is right in front of you and killed you.

Which brings me back to my first question.

Do you have to know your target's full name?  Their real name?  Or just be able to identify them unambiguously?

Which brings me back to my first question.

Do you have to know your target's full name?  Their real name?  Or just be able to identify them unambiguously?

This is how it works:

1.) Dave Morris walks up to you in full disguise.  You have no idea it's Jonathan, you think it's some hoodlum named Joe Chill.  "Joe Chill" takes out a shiv, shouts "DIE DIRTY GYPSY" and stabs Tobar to death.  You can Gypsy Death Curse Joe Chill, despite the fact that it's Jonathan.

2.)  Dave doesn't give you a name in his disguise.  He just comes up behind you and shivs you anyway.  You can Gypsy Death Curse "that a-hole who stabbed me in the back".

3.) You never meet Dave in his disguise.  Dave uses a cunning and clever plan involving many twists and turns to get Birnum Pyre and Antrim to kill you.  You could Gypsy Death Curse Pyre or Antrim, but if you wanted to Gypsy Death Curse  Dave Morris: Napoleon of Gypsy Genocide than you would have to find out that it was Dave (as Jonathan) behind the whole thing.


So essentially, if they are DIRECTLY the cause of your death you do NOT need to know their name.  If they are INDIRECTLY the cause of your death than you need to find out their name.

Joe is correct. To further explain the last part, attempting to curse someone who was not present for your murder, but might have had something to do with it, is based completely on in-game suspicion. If your character was highly suspect of Bill the butcher being the one who orchestrated your death, because he has always hated you, you can try to curse bill the butcher. I would then approach the player of bill the butcher and find out if he had a hand in the series of misfortunate events that took your like, if he in fact did not, than the curse does not work.

Do you have to know your target's full name?  Their real name?  Or just be able to identify them unambiguously?

So, I don't think this question actually got answered, and, in fairness, it's a really complex question. So, here's the situation:

Let's say, hypothetically, I suspect that a PC orchestrated my death, but my character is only aware of their first name, or their last name, or perhaps some kind of nickname that everyone uses for them. Do I need to know the characters FULL name, IG, in order to attempt to place a gypsy death curse on them? Or do I simply need to identify them in an unambiguous way?

Again, let's say, hypothetically, I suspect that a PC orchestrated my death, and place a gypsy death curse on her. However, the name I know this PC by is not the PC's true name, but rather, a false name that they have been using all along in order to conceal their identity for a complex reason, probably concerning their backstory. If they were involved in my death, does the gypsy death curse still land? (IE, is knowing the name they are widely known by enough to identify them for the purposes of GDC?)

The name/truename/fulleorpart name of the person you are attempting to curse is not terribly important. As long the gypsy reasonably has cause to suspect someone had an involvement in their death they can attempt to curse them.  Wether they know the persons actual in-game name or not is irrelevant as long as they can identify what character they are trying to curse. 

For example... you don't know Blade's name... for some odd reason

However, you saw Blade pointing at you, making a slitting motion across his throat, then paying the Count a large sum of gold, to which the Count gives a big thumbs up, heads straight toward you and kills you saying "Sorry, Buddy, it's only business".

You can curse the 'huge cigar smoking ogre that rips men's hearts out of their chest and shows it to them before they die.' with out knowing Blades name.

For example... you don't know Blade's name... for some odd reason

However, you saw Blade pointing at you, making a slitting motion across his throat, then paying the Count a large sum of gold, to which the Count gives a big thumbs up, heads straight toward you and kills you saying "Sorry, Buddy, it's only business".

You can curse the 'huge cigar smoking ogre that rips men's hearts out of their chest and shows it to them before they die.' with out knowing Blades name.

In the same scenario, instead of cursing the master of the triple shank could you also curse the count, assuming he gave the big ol thumbs up on your execution?

You could try, and then it'd be up to James as to whether it worked or not.  That's the "director's discretion" part of the skill description. 

--Sean

Ohh... I see I was unclear... I meant that the Count killed you after Blade paid him to do so, so Blade is the mysterious person planning the death, the Count is the bringer of doom.

So you could easily curse the Count because he actually killed you.
You could curse the Cigar Smoking Ogre who you suspect planned your death.  But only if you noticed those strange goings on, or had another good IG reason to suspect he's your killer.  Like you just stole his cigars, and he said "When me find out who take Blade Cigar, me just sayin, him maybe wind up dead.  Not ME kill him... just maybe it wind up that way"
However, if secretly Erdrick paid Blade to pay the count to do that, and only Blade and Erdrick knew that, and Erdrick never seemed to dislike you, but someone overheard Sam telling Mike Smith at the Bar on Friday Night "I can't wait until Blade pays the count to kill Schmucko, he'll never know it was Erdrick" and they tell you that it was Erdrick... well that's bullcrap and that person gets NO bacon.

Answers all my questions, and I'm all good with it. 

Anyone aiming to hit a third party as a mastermind instead of the person who jacked them should be able to explain why they think the mastermind did it when they pull the curse trigger.  Unless it's Dave, because he is the Napoleon of Gypsy Genocide. 

Napoleon and genocide just do not combine well.  Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin - those names ring.

Napoleon and genocide just do not combine well.  Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin - those names ring.

It was a reference to the Napoleon of Crime

regardless, Dave just needs to start murdering every gypsy he sees.

Why would you want to kill gypsies? We have punch and pie!

dave prefers cake a cola?

...well that's bullcrap and that person gets NO bacon.

Winner of the 'Best Line in a Thread' award.....

punch and pie hmm? where do i sign up for this gypsy resistance? lmao

also i prefer mountain dew and tasty cakes

Little caffeine with your sugar, eh, Adi?