Proclamation from the Master of the Mage's Guild

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05 Jul 2014 00:52 #1 by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
Proclamation from the Master of the Mage's Guild was created by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
Re-posted at the behest of Guildmaster Silverbow.
Whereas the mages Guild of Travance has a continued relationship with the Crown, which was reaffirmed at a meeting with his Majesty, King Aleric, and

Whereas the mages Guild of Travance is charged to defend the Weave both actively and reactively and to watch for, hunt down, and destroy those who are enemies of the Weave and of the Kingdom of Kormyre, and

Whereas the Guildmaster is charged to see that the laws of the guild are enforced, and

Whereas the practice of necromancy is a threat to the Weave and those who practice necromancy are enemies of the Weave and of the Kingdom of Kormyre,

Practitioners of demonic magic are enemies of the Weave and of the Kingdom of Kormyre,

Supporters or practitioners of black sorcery are enemies of the Weave and of the Kingdom of Kormyre, and

The laws of magic and the Weave apply to all, not just those who are guilded to a mages Guild,

I, Ardin Silverbow, make the following declarations:

Crimes against the Weave and of Magic will be enforced by the Guild separate from Civil authority,

Necromancers and those who utilize necromantic texts, scrolls or other writings shall be apprehended and brought to the Guildmaster for judgment;

Practitioners of Demonic Magic shall be apprehended and brought to the Guildmaster for judgment;

Practitioners of Black Sorcery shall be apprehended and brought to the Guildmaster for judgment;

The Hollow Song is a threat to the Weave and those who utilize it shall be apprehended and brought to the Guildmaster for judgment.

Subjects of Travance who are not guilded to a Mage's Guild are under no compulsion to act to apprehend the enemies of the Weave, but should realize the importance of the integrity of the Weave and how it relates to our continued existence.

In the Service of Magic and the Weave,

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06 Jul 2014 10:15 #2 by geezer (geezer)
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Guildmaster Silverbow has my complete endorsement of all of the above.

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06 Jul 2014 18:11 #3 by Dunn Ironwill (JackDimms)
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Good Necromancy is back in it's rightful place..... As evil and disgusting. If the mages guild would like my help in tracking down these scum you need only ask.

Signed, With truth,
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06 Jul 2014 18:31 - 06 Jul 2014 18:34 #4 by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
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JACK! You are learning to be a mage? FANTASTIC! You can learn from me, afterwards you can attempt to hunt me (the scum) and that should be fun to do with all the new magic you learned.
On the other hand, if you were implying that you would attack me without being a member of the mage's guild, fair warning that is assault and I will bring you up on charges, as it is well good and legal for me to do what I do.

-Orophin







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07 Jul 2014 00:08 #5 by Lucien Belfast (Lucien Belfast)
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With respect to Master Silverbow, his proxies , attendees and other guild members;

Although I am disinclined to the discipline of magic, I am a student of all subjects and sciences, and understand the deep importance of the balance of the weave. The security of the realm has been my chief concern for my adult life, matched only by my devotion to the church in the light.

As Travance is now my home, and it's people my charge, I will make myself available to the Guildmaster Silverbow and his members. At any hour the Master may call on me to meet any challenge to the security of the realm and the weave and I will answer.

Any members of the guild who require escort across the land, day or night may also call on my service, if I am not servicing a greater need, will do so gladly.

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07 Jul 2014 02:41 #6 by Imrahil (Brendan Barrett)
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Brother Lucien,

I have borne testament to your righteous creed; There are few in this land that consider all their brethren, including many who consider it their calling. What fortune that thine lodgings lie next to mine own. Would you be willing to lay aside devotions to truly aid the balance? Vile besmirchings lie against those of light, dark, and neutrality together. Would you stand to see the quarrel's end? When one acknowledges there is honor in each the promise of light, the threat of darkness, and the ambivalence of the moderators, one lays the foundation of enlightenment. For each are correct, and each are likewise dead wrong. I would be glad for your counsel, as I hope you would be glad for mine. If you would hear me out, might I offer you tea?

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07 Jul 2014 10:24 #7 by Kirsten (Lotano)
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Has the King rescinded his suspension of this law? The Baronial Library still states that is it suspended:

January 1214 - By Order of His Majesty, King Aleric II of Kormyre, the following law is hereby suspended until further notice.

None shall practice Necromancy, nor shall anyone buy, sell, keep, or use items in any way associated with Necromancy.

Please clarify because currently, per the written law, necromancy is not illegal and apprehending/assulting someone not breaking the King's law is a crime. I do not want to see the citizens of Travance commit crimes because they are ignorant of the law.

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07 Jul 2014 16:42 #8 by Lathiel (Lathiel)
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Dame Emeline,
I believe that shortly, the writing itself will change, though with the direct permission from His Majesty, the proclamation can be made, as matters involving the well-being of the Weave which consequently extends to the well-being of all, by the Guildmaster. This ability to make such declarations is granted in writing in the Mages' Guild Charter of Kormyre. So, in summation, the proclamation is, in all aspects, a fully legal proclamation that is now to be in effect.

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07 Jul 2014 21:36 #9 by Dunn Ironwill (JackDimms)
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Orophin,

Do not even jest. I would never learn the ways of a mage. I do not have any qualms against regular magic users, but Necromancers upset the Great Mother and disrupt the natural flow of nature. Undead, Demons, Liches, they are all digusting creatures that need to be wiped clean from the realm. As for your second question, no I will not attack you without proper reason. I will say your magics are an abomination to society. When you pass on to the next life,I hope Galladel will cast you into the darkest pit he can find.

Signed, With Truth,
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07 Jul 2014 22:51 - 07 Jul 2014 22:52 #10 by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
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I was not jesting. I would actually love to teach you how wrong your entire culture is about the most important force in this world. Without it, we would all be dead. Without mages, demons would have long since taken this world. And Galladel would have stood by and watched.

-Orophin








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07 Jul 2014 23:07 #11 by Sindarion (Steven SA)
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I like Imrahil's suggestion. Why can't we all just settle over a nice cup of tea?

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08 Jul 2014 01:07 #12 by Chukklez (Chukklez)
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Probably because your use of demon magic has you marked for death.

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08 Jul 2014 02:06 #13 by Sindarion (Steven SA)
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Oh, right. That. At least they can trust me never to use necromancy, eh?

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08 Jul 2014 02:14 #14 by Alexandre Blythewood (Eleventh Phoenix)
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0,

During one iteration of June 21st, it was clarified that demonic magics related to magic used to summon and command demons, and was not in any way a reference to Wyld Magic.

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08 Jul 2014 02:36 #15 by Chukklez (Chukklez)
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Good to hear another year pass without the pyres starting then.

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08 Jul 2014 07:48 #16 by Aria (Aria)
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The guild master has started this writing with information. Those that are involved have spoken their peace. Now this has turned into insulting each other. We all should have better things to do. Unless you have something meaningful to say please take your minor gripes to person.

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08 Jul 2014 17:38 - 08 Jul 2014 17:39 #17 by Atrus (Atrus)
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So am I to understand that those protected by the laws are to be hunted, because of some possibility of a change, and because of some perversion of the laws that has been here all along, and that those with demonic blood whom are able to channel this power in their blood into magical abilities aren't actually using demonic magics, although the power they have comes from their DEMONIC BLOODLINES, and this has always been the case until recently?

Is this a matter of convenience or zealotry? So those who speak of honor and justice and love and the "light" and "goodness" have been waiting, biding their time to come stab their allies in the back like sneak-thieves? Xualla's been dealt with and now you wish to discard those whom stood side by side with you whom fought, bled, and died for this town, as if they were some meaningless weaponry?

You are more willing attempt to murder your neighbors, your allies, those whom stand with you against such threats as the Hollow Song, people known to you for years, than many of the creatures which plague these lands, than those whom have left undeniable damage to the town, to the weave, to Kormyre itself. And yet you claim to be "good" or "pure." You self-serving, hypocritical sons of dogs, you dare come against my people!? I seek to convert no one; for even those within my faith don't feast as ravenously upon their own as any given Travancian-




YOU ARE UNWORTHY.

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08 Jul 2014 18:26 #18 by Pat (Pjort)
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Atrus, you appear to be a very confused man.

I'm sure there are many physicians who can help you with your troubles, as well as scholars who can help with your writing.

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10 Jul 2014 10:04 - 11 Jul 2014 11:59 #19 by Gabriel Llopiz (Xenas)
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The Mage's Guild law does not supersede the King's law. Any attempts enforce such acts should be considered treason (as you are attempting to overrule the King's word) and assault.

With that said, I will not sit idle as people are punished for committing no crime. Until the suspension is lifted is necromancy is legal, and you have no authority to act in such a way. The chance that the law may change is not permission to act as it has.

Kindly, rethink your actions.

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10 Jul 2014 15:12 #20 by geezer (geezer)
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The Mages' Guild Charter was issued by the King. As His Majesty has not rescinded it, it continues to be in effect.

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10 Jul 2014 15:56 #21 by Kuo Kun (Kuo Kun)
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I think the practicalities may be confusing.

For example, as a law abiding subject of the lands, if I witness someone calling out for self-defensive assistance when being attacked by a mage who says the defender is a necromancer, who is being dealt with, what is my responsibility in that situation? Is it only to stay out of matters, and try to remember things clearly for any later investigation?

Run away? Take a side?



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10 Jul 2014 17:16 #22 by Gabriel Llopiz (Xenas)
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Irrelevant.

The King has implemented a suspension. If the charter does not overrule the King's word, then the charter is also influenced by the suspension.

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10 Jul 2014 18:15 - 11 Jul 2014 18:14 #23 by Atrus (Atrus)
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So the King has made two different laws which contradict themselves.

And you honestly think that the King would make a law with the intention that it could be broken at any time?

That something as specific as the practice of necromancy which he declared legal-you truly believe it was his intention to declare necromancy legal and simultaneously wish the Guild Master to hunt them down...

This is bad comedy. You want to try and hunt people down, good luck, but don't think for a second anyone believes that you do it because it's your duty as a "law-abiding" subject. Or that you do this for protecting people. You want to hunt people who protected Arawyn, who protected Travance, who protected you!

The Law is not on your side neither is any moral code, despite what someone whom has been declared a heretic, and a Saint of those whom have been Excommunicated may say. This starts with necromancers, and wildmages, and soon those who follow any "evil" Gods will be joining them on the pyres. This is the Fourth Age, time has progressed forward despite all the efforts of those who wish it to go back.

I'm not here to make anyone a better person, although I am quite adept at seeing the evils and the lies within others.

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10 Jul 2014 18:17 #24 by Nicoletta (fyperia)
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HOW KIND OF THE GUILD TO DECLARE THOSE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DEFENCE OF TRAVANCE AND ARAWYN ENEMIES OF THE KINGDOM! HOW IGNORANT YOU ALL SEEM BY BELIEVING THE WEAVE IS ACTUALLY THREATENED BY BLACK MAGICKS.

IF YOU ENJOY THE IDEA OF SPENDING TIME IN THE PRISON WITH OUR DEAR FRIEND FOR UNLAWFUL ASSAULT AND ATTEMPTING TO DETAIN US AGAINST OUR WILL THEN BY ALL MEANS BE OUR GUEST...

TZ.



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10 Jul 2014 18:26 #25 by Kuo Kun (Kuo Kun)
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Run away it is, then.



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10 Jul 2014 22:00 #26 by Sindarion (Steven SA)
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You know there's weird stuff going on with time, yeah? And the fact that there's still plenty of dangerous things quibbling about. Like that Sun card thing. That's still out there, right? And since that means undead can come out in the daytime, it means that most of the peasantry have to decide between staying holed up in their houses or working the fields to have food for the future. And since we're taken out of the time loop, that means people can actually die for real now. So, uh... how about focusing on the things that are trying to kill innocent people right now and then going for each others jugulars?

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10 Jul 2014 23:31 #27 by Grimkjell Eirson (BillHannings)
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Squire sindarion has made a good point. If we are so busy with internal disputes over just what flavor of maleficarum we're choosing to use, we may miss the bigger external problems like the daywalking undead and the fact that Balfurious is still out there, causing problems. While this certainly is a matter of concern, and I wouldn't gainsay the guildmaster's rights or the legality of the situation, I will say that for the moment the greatest threat to Travance, and possibly to Kormyre as a whole needs to be faced down before we settle these particular accounts. PLease note, I am not speaking as a guardsman, but simply as a man in this matter. I see the things that are clawing at our gates and I view them as our first foes. It may seem hypocrisy for an Ulfhednar to counsel calm and peace between others, but our swords, and the final sanction that they represent should not be lightly used, especially against one another.

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11 Jul 2014 09:35 #28 by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
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Interestingly enough, I have a plan to find the card using arcane skeletons. They scour the land with orders to find, and destroy tarot cards left outdoors. During the time loop I also kept one at my side in the case that things suddenly change and the suns power took it, I would merely have to check in the area I last sent them to.
50 of them can cover a lot of ground.

-Orophin

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14 Jul 2014 09:59 - 14 Jul 2014 10:39 #29 by Alexander Silvers (Silversupremacy)
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Ah yes blessed be the loophole, that which allows us to openly act on whatever ridiculous notion comes to mind.
Oh and for those whom may be confused this is sarcasm... take note Dimms.

Take it from me though blind zealotry is the path to insanity... as is acting on ridiculous notions and listening to the voices even though on occasion you might want to indulge them if you don't argue it out with them every step of the way they might start thinking they are in control.
For example like right now my voices are instructing me to mention that despite my earlier statement I've never engaged in blind zealotry and thus my claim is a mute point. However as the current authoritative figure in my mind I will not be swayed by such ridiculous comments and thus say that you should ignore everything i just said... how do you like that you internal sarcastic bastard.

With my current inner conflict brought to a swift conclusion Ill conclude with don't do things that agree with the societal definition of bad or well something will happen I suppose... I don't know this entire proclamation is starting to sound more like gibberish with every word but since i'm ignoring previous arguments i made I'll act on my ridiculous notion of posting it anyway.


(an awkwardly added footnote is scribbled at the end)
after a few minutes of arguing with my internal voices i remembered the point i was originally going to make, ahem, what is, is and what isn't, isn't; and what will be, will be, so there is no use trying to fight it too hard which is why i advocate the use of a comfortable vacant dark cave or similar venue if one isn't currently available to argue with your inner voices about problems with current legislation.

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14 Jul 2014 18:15 #30 by Aria (Aria)
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Terzak,
See me immediately when you get into town.

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