Assistance Needed: The Ediyri Songs

25 Sep 2018 15:47 #31 by Moostrav Potrevski ()
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Sergei,
This is mostly a result of Kyari taking the roll of Chronicler in the first place. Her death personified, as the second Kyari, has brought itself now a target of other matters.
It sickens us that a Kolotar would involve itself with gadje in this manner, they only serve to complicate this ending.
We where under the position the Chronicler simply needed to die, they have become a fecal stain on our peoples ways. Something so intimate as trust was put into a blasphemes waters. The Taleshi may not need the Kolator, the Potrevskis are the same way, if they where to die we would continue on. They merely hold regards not devotion from our people. So we put our stance as the fallowing, as to repair our misplaced regards. We seek to capture her death for Devariatus, and slay the Stain remaining, then offer her place among our peoples respects to him if he would accept such. Then to the Potrevskis and any other family whom would recognize Devariatus would be a Kolator. This may become unraveled through many means, and our agreement is ever shifting, but as of now this is our stance.

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25 Sep 2018 16:28 #32 by Narcis (ChrisR)
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I would argue, that if any kin do not wish to touch this matter that it is fair and understandable. However, if the goal of Kyari is to prevent the ascension of Chronicler, that the Argenti as a whole could in fact be in trouble. Kyari is a Kolator, which means that many, believe in them, which given my very vague understanding of how the Eodrean gods work means that annihilating any amount of ancient Argenti through time could be a feasible option to get Kyari to their end goal.

Regardless of my personal beliefs about the Kolator or Chronicler, both of which I have met via the body that we used in the Quartz Academy, they helped saved Cennius at the time. Devariatus, when freed from the thread of fate, had said some things I am curious to follow up on, and so I will continue to watch and assist as said before.


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25 Sep 2018 17:09 #33 by Moostrav Potrevski ()
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Nadia,
Chronicler is Kyari. Kyari being an Ordrum, upon becoming the Chronicler she could not die, therefor the cycle of an Ordrum was interrupted, for when their task is complete they themselves are to cease. She cannot, so her death took form and seeks to uphold that cycle. Her death and herself both being Kyari. This is to our understanding. Your prior judgment of the situation may be correct, and is of concern.

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25 Sep 2018 17:39 #34 by Narcis (ChrisR)
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Moostrav,
My wording is poor and did not account well for trying to separate the wills of the two parts even though they are the same person. I apologize but I do understand.

My main point was to the fact that destroying those that believe in her in the past may be a viable option and was an example of a concern any Argenti may have despite which walk they come from. Regardless of how one feels about the Kolator or Gods there is room here for our very way of life to be disrupted. Though I don't need to convince you of anything, it was merely for others who were questioning whether we should intervene or not.


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25 Sep 2018 18:15 #35 by Seth (Kurteth)
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Regardless of religion or politics, Belegchand you have my sword whether or not you accept.

This is something I'll see through.

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25 Sep 2018 22:06 #36 by Ezequiel Cantor (hectorwatts03)
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I understand what you are requesting Belegchand Dinephilin. This request is not something that should be taken lightly, and the more assistance you get in regards to it the better. While for my own personal reasons I would assist in this, the only thing that does concern me though is if you really want me to. I state this since I will not lie. I feel I have become a marked man as of late, and helping you take on this challenge is something that others may hold in absolute disdain at the very least. Though to assist in all of them is something I don't expect to do, and judging by how, or for that matter, when they take place (both in our time, and in reflection of when these events occur), you probably would not expect me to get involved in all of them.

Judging by how you wish to proceed, I will let you decide if it is worth it to let someone like me participate in an operation like this. If it turns out I am not needed, or for that matter wanted, then I will have no qualms if I am not chosen.

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26 Sep 2018 00:58 #37 by Grimkjell Eirson (BillHannings)
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Hjolda! Belegchand, after all the times you have assisted me I would be the most churlish skitna not to help you.

You have what knowledge I can bring to the table, as well as my sword, and my mind, for all the good that it might do, and my voice, should lending it to this cause be needed. All that I am is yours if you require it.

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26 Sep 2018 08:06 - 26 Sep 2018 09:08 #38 by Liz (Liz)
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I didn’t realize that asking for more information automatically makes me this terrible person. How DARE I ask questions as I am “only” a Guard after all. I didn’t realize that being a Guard strips me of any sense of self or my right to understand a situation. I also didn’t realize that asking questions made me a judge or a jury.

But now that I know, I’ll keep that in mind. Thank you for that judgement of my character and thoughts. Apparently you not being a Guard gives you that right to prejudge others.

As for the others who have attempted to actually answer my questions- my thanks. I understand much more clearly now.


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26 Sep 2018 11:01 #39 by Tom P (Father Ridigan)
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A thought. To date, at least one timeline branch has already been obliterated in Kyari's attempt to unmake/destroy Chronicler in April, and it shows what they are willing to do to achieve their goals. If Malikar had died before he could ascend, Cyrith would never have fallen, causing Valos to never Ascend. Those events led to the people of Arawyn Being strong enough to stop Xualla and Balfurius during the demon wars. These events would have led to the death of mortal life, which then would also lead to the remaining gods losing their power, assuming of course they didn't simply die to Necrophitus in his bid to destroy the Anastazi.

Realistically speaking, Kyari is EVERYONE's problem. To think otherwise is to fail to grasp the scope of their actions reverberating through the timelines.

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26 Sep 2018 12:13 - 26 Sep 2018 12:14 #40 by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
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Tom P (Father Ridigan) wrote: If Malikar had died before he could ascend, Cyrith would never have fallen, causing Valos to never Ascend. . Those events led to the people of Arawyn Being strong enough to stop Xualla and Balfurius during the demon wars. These events would have led to the death of mortal life, which then would also lead to the remaining gods losing their power, assuming of course they didn't simply die to Necrophitus in his bid to destroy the Anastazi.


This is... not entirely accurate. Well, it is how things unfolded in some timelines, but you're assuming a cause-and-effect chain that could easily have had causes replaced with others to ensure the same effects. It is just as likely that, say, Chronicler's eventual ascendance would have allowed *Her* to see the outcome, and perhaps she makes a deal with Galmachis & Galladel to strike down Cyrith. Or maybe Visigalis wakes up and goes "well that won't do", and finds another way to strengthen everyone. Perhaps everything unfolds exactly as it always has, but someone knocks one little statue of a unicorn into a trash bin accidentally...

The point here is that from our limited perspective we can never truly know what will and won't affect the course of time to the point where major changes occur. It may well be that if Kyari accomplishes her task, some other being takes up the mantle of Chronicler. (Of course, if Kyari accomplishes her task in the past, then she causes another paradox about herself, but I'm getting before myself.)

I had meant to deliver a timeline of events, so that it is all in one little spot.
-The Anastazi create our world and populate it.
-Some Anastazi stay around - dragons, fae, that sort of thing.
-Some Anastazi were never supposed to be here, but wanted to see what all the fuss was about, so they snuck in - the Ordrim. They eventually became some of the Kolator of the Argenti people.
-Most Anastazi left, after... some shenanigans. As the Ordrim were never supposed to be here, they had been sort of... hiding their presence from the rest of the Anastazi. Since the rest of the Anastazi didn't know they were here, they didn't send a note that the train to the Astral was departing. The Ordrim were left behind.
-The Ordrim known as Kyari, who was only a Kolator at this point, tells Arawyn (also an Anastazi, who chose to stay behind) that she will help him keep track of all this information about the world as she is going about her ordained task to write these songs of Fate. More and more join her, and this is enough to eventually catapult her to godhood.
-Chronicler-Kyari has completed her task, and so should die, but cannot, as she is now a god. (Which is... actually incredibly contradictory to the rest of the things we've learned, such as "the Anastazi are all true immortals and their essence can never truly be destroyed", so an Ordrim should not be able to be destroyed? And it even contradicts "Malikar killed Cyrith"; honestly, gods die all the time, this is such a mess.)
-ANYWAY. Something has to kill her, eventually, because of universal law, so Chronicler-Kyari's ascension leaves behind a splinter I will call Inevitable-Kyari (and yes, I know what else that word can mean. I feel it is appropriate here.). Inevitable-Kyari's purpose is to kill Chronicler-Kyari.
-Inevitable-Kyari keeps trying to find ways to do this, and keeps moving through time and trying things at different points in history to weaken Chronicler-Kyari.
-A particular asshole Arani named Devariatus got wind of this and started following around the songs that Kyari (as in, the Kyari before there was a Chronicler) wrote as a means to sort of... map the Threads of Fate. (Yes, the Threads of Fate are a literal thing that can be seen and touched if you have the right skillset, who knew?)
-He was able to find the Thread that binds him, and cut it.
-There are some more things about Devariatus, Arani, and more astral beings than you can shake a tentacle at, but I'll not go into them here.
-Chronicler-Kyari and Inevitable-Kyari are now in a race against each other.

These songs will take us to points in time when Inevitable-Kyari is going to try and alter history in a bid to get at Chronicler-Kyari. We need to research each song, and each event, to figure out how it's supposed to go, so that we know what to do when we get there.

We are in desperate need of more researchers on this. Belegchand & I taught a few people, but it's still not enough. These songs are vague, and we really need to get down to specifics. ((OOG: We need enough people to hit Lore: History x15. I promise you, there's room for you on this plot :) )).

As for Kyari, Chronicler-Kyari, Inevitable-Kyari, and the Kolator: I cannot say with any certainty which is the current Kolator Kyari. It is possible it is all three.

If you have more questions, I will answer with joy. Bit of a thing with Chronicler clergy, really; we're supposed to answer questions when asked, and never chastise the querant, unless we believe that answering the question will put too many stories in danger.

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26 Sep 2018 12:31 #41 by Narcis (ChrisR)
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Lois and others:

I have some theories about some of this that I would like to posit in person when I have the chance. Perhaps if you will be around next moon I can discuss with you all.


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26 Sep 2018 12:35 #42 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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I'll offer my assistance, should you have need of a time traveling sociopath.

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26 Sep 2018 12:38 #43 by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
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Gabriel Chance (Kiellor) wrote: I'll offer my assistance, should you have need of a time traveling sociopath.


I am quite sure we will need a time traveling sociopath.

Nadia, I'd love to hear them, and I'm willing to bet everyone else involved would be, as well.

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26 Sep 2018 13:34 #44 by Starling (starling)
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I intend to help research this (and will probably be buried in books between now and next Feast, should anyone want to borrow any, especially those dealing with histories). And I affirm what Lois said, and will gladly try to answer any questions that come my way. If you can find me underneath the pile of books, that is.

I've a responsibility to see this through, and I intend to.


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26 Sep 2018 14:33 #45 by Nalick (NalickDeMarche)
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26 Sep 2018 15:15 #46 by Mantel (sigma-j)
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I have so many frustrations and questions about Chronicler.

If anyone remembers the times when Chronicler still aligned herself with the Dark Pantheon, please contact me. I wish to know more specifics of how she turned from that path, and when.

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26 Sep 2018 15:25 #47 by Grashügel (HAZMAT221)
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While not in my general scope of knowledge, I will be happy to assist in any research that is needed. Starling, I have a tome that covers the first age if you think it will assist you at all.





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26 Sep 2018 15:44 #48 by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
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Mantel (sigma-j) wrote: If anyone remembers the times when Chronicler still aligned herself with the Dark Pantheon, please contact me. I wish to know more specifics of how she turned from that path, and when.

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I was not present for Her actual rescue, so I will leave the details for someone else to tell you, but in brief for a period of about 500 years she was, essentially, kidnapped and bound by Glomm into the service of the Dark side of the pantheon.

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26 Sep 2018 20:12 #49 by Annora (Karen)
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Time travel makes my head hurt, you have both my brain and claws should they be needed. I have studied history, and I solemnly swear not to eat any important papers.

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27 Sep 2018 13:41 #50 by Gabriel Chance (Kiellor)
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That is why i offered my assistance Drake Queen. Time Travel hurts most of your heads to be honest, and so I am here to help explain it in concepts that are entirely understandable and completely inaccurate.

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01 Oct 2018 22:02 #51 by Reyna Del Dragon (reynadeldragon)
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If there is any assistance I can offer, let me know. These are not matters I am familiar with, and I do not know much about Chronicler’s history.

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04 Oct 2018 08:36 #52 by Annora (Karen)
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This is why you're our time traveling sociopath, Gabriel.

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11 Oct 2018 14:06 #53 by Keavy (Dani)
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**NOT KEAVY**

Pardon my delay in response to this, I am still trying to get settled in these parts.

I may not feel the most comfortable trying to interfere with the Kolator, but at the same time, being a singer, I can't turn my back on this, especially since it directly affects the one Kolator I relate to most.

The song still haunts my mind, despite not having the sheet in my hands. Should the time come I cant do much in the way of combat, but should you need my voice I will be there. I'm sure I'll have the song memorized by then..

Oh, and I'll be sure to bring alcohol. We're gonna need it.

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