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24 Mar 2019 21:30 #31
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
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WORRY NOT, I SLAY RATS MORAL AS VALOS HAS IT. FAST HARD WIT A STONE. BARLY SCAMPR NOR SCRECH BUT A LITLE. I SHAL BRING YE A STONES WEIGHT O RAT MEAT.
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25 Mar 2019 00:23 #32
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Professor Winstonshire,
If I’m not mistaken, preference of magic may not decide one’s morality. Maybe a black sorcerer may be as moral as a white sorcerer. Perhaps it depends on the person.
Valued Niece,
I’m so sorry to read that someone perhaps made you do things against your best interest. Maybe one day we can seek this black sorcerer together and teach him of her of what not to do.
Thank you for teaching me about what some magic users could do. I wasn’t sure if it could be done but now I do, regarding food creation via the weave. Maybe that means it can be done in a larger capacity if the proper magic is utilized. This could be a worthwhile thing to research as the starvation of all can perhaps come to an end and we can have steak without cows. Thanks again.
I hope we can all eat and not have to kill anything, including the rats. Killing is wrong, but rating is good.
I wish everyone good fortune.
If I’m not mistaken, preference of magic may not decide one’s morality. Maybe a black sorcerer may be as moral as a white sorcerer. Perhaps it depends on the person.
Valued Niece,
I’m so sorry to read that someone perhaps made you do things against your best interest. Maybe one day we can seek this black sorcerer together and teach him of her of what not to do.
Thank you for teaching me about what some magic users could do. I wasn’t sure if it could be done but now I do, regarding food creation via the weave. Maybe that means it can be done in a larger capacity if the proper magic is utilized. This could be a worthwhile thing to research as the starvation of all can perhaps come to an end and we can have steak without cows. Thanks again.
I hope we can all eat and not have to kill anything, including the rats. Killing is wrong, but rating is good.
I wish everyone good fortune.
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25 Mar 2019 00:46 - 25 Mar 2019 00:47 #33
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Uncle,
I have met Liches who help and paladins who harm. Each person who exists in this world has their own moral compass and moral code, and they do not always align with others. Does that make them good or evil, right or wrong? Unfortunately, while Light and Dark are things that can be wielded, held in hand, and experienced, Good and Evil are subjective and personal. Evil things can be done by those of the Light. Dark clergy can be wonderful good people. Something that I consider awful may not be considered evil by another. Hells, my dedication to the Weave and what I believe in could even be seen as wrong by some.
Life and Death are the natural order of things. It is all part of Chronicler's great story and Arawyn's grand cycle of life. If things do not die, things cannot grow. Just as a phoenix is reborn from the ashes, life on Arawyn is born again through this grand cycle. Ending death would cause more harm than good. Strive to end Pain, to end Suffering, to ensure that non die needlessly, but claiming that none should die at all, even in the natural course of life, is careless and, in truth, harmful. Everything has its time. Everything has its purpose.
Every story has its end.
I appreciate your concern but there is no need. Aleister executed Jeremiah, the Black Sorcerer and Slaver I referenced before, in May of last year in front of many members of the town. He will no longer make anyone suffer the way he had made me, my brother, or hundreds of others suffer.
I have met Liches who help and paladins who harm. Each person who exists in this world has their own moral compass and moral code, and they do not always align with others. Does that make them good or evil, right or wrong? Unfortunately, while Light and Dark are things that can be wielded, held in hand, and experienced, Good and Evil are subjective and personal. Evil things can be done by those of the Light. Dark clergy can be wonderful good people. Something that I consider awful may not be considered evil by another. Hells, my dedication to the Weave and what I believe in could even be seen as wrong by some.
Life and Death are the natural order of things. It is all part of Chronicler's great story and Arawyn's grand cycle of life. If things do not die, things cannot grow. Just as a phoenix is reborn from the ashes, life on Arawyn is born again through this grand cycle. Ending death would cause more harm than good. Strive to end Pain, to end Suffering, to ensure that non die needlessly, but claiming that none should die at all, even in the natural course of life, is careless and, in truth, harmful. Everything has its time. Everything has its purpose.
Every story has its end.
I appreciate your concern but there is no need. Aleister executed Jeremiah, the Black Sorcerer and Slaver I referenced before, in May of last year in front of many members of the town. He will no longer make anyone suffer the way he had made me, my brother, or hundreds of others suffer.
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25 Mar 2019 01:16 - 25 Mar 2019 01:20 #34
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SKIN, SKEWER, SALT PEPER HEAVLY AN COOK 4 MINUTES TOTAL.FLIP EACH MINUTE TA GET GRILL MARKS. DOWN THE HATCH.
BEST WAY I FOUND TA COOK RAT IF YOU GOT S&P,
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BEST WAY I FOUND TA COOK RAT IF YOU GOT S&P,
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25 Mar 2019 01:37 - 25 Mar 2019 01:38 #35
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Zanthios,
I would be careful of phrasing. Things like,
“Maybe one day the cycle can be broken.
I wish death didn’t exist and hopefully one day it won’t.”
Makes it seem like you would like the Wheel of Fate to stop turning for all beings. Some could read it as you not wanting my Lord on His Devine throne.
If you’d like to learn about the Wheel, and Death’s role in it, I’ll be happy to explain it to you.
Something to keep in mind.
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Zanthios,
I would be careful of phrasing. Things like,
“Maybe one day the cycle can be broken.
I wish death didn’t exist and hopefully one day it won’t.”
Makes it seem like you would like the Wheel of Fate to stop turning for all beings. Some could read it as you not wanting my Lord on His Devine throne.
If you’d like to learn about the Wheel, and Death’s role in it, I’ll be happy to explain it to you.
Something to keep in mind.
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25 Mar 2019 02:10 - 25 Mar 2019 02:11 #36
by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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I'm sorry if my words may make some feel unpleasant, but maybe we all have lost a loved one and wish death wasn't real. I say what I believe and I believe in what I believe is correct.
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25 Mar 2019 03:01 #37
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NOT FOR NOTHIN BUT,
GOT MORE BELLS IN THE DIRT THEN STANDING ON IT BUT DONT IMAGIN I WANT TA PULL MOST OF THEM FROM ANDORRAS EMBRACE SO THEY CAN JOIN ME SMACKIN RATS AND TILLIN DIRT. SEEMS MORE FAIR WE MEET THEM THERE THEN THEY MEET US HERE.
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NOT FOR NOTHIN BUT,
GOT MORE BELLS IN THE DIRT THEN STANDING ON IT BUT DONT IMAGIN I WANT TA PULL MOST OF THEM FROM ANDORRAS EMBRACE SO THEY CAN JOIN ME SMACKIN RATS AND TILLIN DIRT. SEEMS MORE FAIR WE MEET THEM THERE THEN THEY MEET US HERE.
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25 Mar 2019 03:43 - 25 Mar 2019 03:47 #38
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*** NOT CAELVAN ***
It has nothing to do with me feeling unpleasant. I have encountered many people who do not like the prospect of Death. However, that does not mean that they wish that death didn't happen.
I have lost loved ones to Death, both blood relatives and brothers and sisters in arms. This did not make me want Death to end, it made me want to understand more.
Your thinking is a lot like another Cult we've been dealing with called the Cult of the Unbroken Oak. These monsters ripped Death's servants from His domain and trapped them on this plane due to the idea that they think Death should not exist.
Do you believe they are right in their actions? Because they think the same thing as you do.
Just some food for thought.
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It has nothing to do with me feeling unpleasant. I have encountered many people who do not like the prospect of Death. However, that does not mean that they wish that death didn't happen.
I have lost loved ones to Death, both blood relatives and brothers and sisters in arms. This did not make me want Death to end, it made me want to understand more.
Your thinking is a lot like another Cult we've been dealing with called the Cult of the Unbroken Oak. These monsters ripped Death's servants from His domain and trapped them on this plane due to the idea that they think Death should not exist.
Do you believe they are right in their actions? Because they think the same thing as you do.
Just some food for thought.
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25 Mar 2019 09:30 #39
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This may be like that and that may be like this but this is this and that is that.
So regardless of things being in similar there are perhaps differences too.
To me death is sad, death is the end, death is goodbye, and I personally wish I never had to say goodbye to any of my loved ones and maybe the same is for them.
I’ve lost my parents and it’s not okay.
If you want to understand death more after losing others then that’s okay, but for me I wish death never happened and maybe that’s okay too.
If you too have lost loved ones I am sorry for that.
To answer your question, maybe ripping souls into a trap seems like oppression and I definitely believe that’s wrong.
Maybe a Druid can assist the rats to a better home.
Long live the rats.
So regardless of things being in similar there are perhaps differences too.
To me death is sad, death is the end, death is goodbye, and I personally wish I never had to say goodbye to any of my loved ones and maybe the same is for them.
I’ve lost my parents and it’s not okay.
If you want to understand death more after losing others then that’s okay, but for me I wish death never happened and maybe that’s okay too.
If you too have lost loved ones I am sorry for that.
To answer your question, maybe ripping souls into a trap seems like oppression and I definitely believe that’s wrong.
Maybe a Druid can assist the rats to a better home.
Long live the rats.
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25 Mar 2019 13:55 #40
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This was not bloody complicated and you lot managed to make it complicated.
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25 Mar 2019 14:25 #41
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You're all idiots and none of you realize you're all the Rats she was writing about, and you're feeding each other constantly, creating more problems.
It's a metaphor for feeding people who are nuisances.
It's a metaphor for feeding people who are nuisances.
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25 Mar 2019 15:25 - 26 Mar 2019 04:25 #42
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We will give 2 gold per pound of Giant Rat meat or corpse.
Tips may be given if they where slain in front of Zanthios.
Seth is right, but this offer is at face.
We will only need at an excessive maximum fifty pounds.
Tips may be given if they where slain in front of Zanthios.
Seth is right, but this offer is at face.
We will only need at an excessive maximum fifty pounds.
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25 Mar 2019 15:32 #43
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Seth,
sometimes a rat is just a rat.
Moostrav,
Hand the meat to Jericho afterwards. He'll see that it doesn't go to waste, and we'll get a tasty meal.
-Annora
sometimes a rat is just a rat.
Moostrav,
Hand the meat to Jericho afterwards. He'll see that it doesn't go to waste, and we'll get a tasty meal.
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25 Mar 2019 15:33 - 25 Mar 2019 15:33 #44
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
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TWO GOLD A KORMYRIAN POUND!? IF IDA KNOWN THIS WAS SUCH A BOOM TRADE IDA QUIT CORPSIN YEARS AGO!
NO RAT NOR VERMIN SHAL ESCAPE MY STONE
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NO RAT NOR VERMIN SHAL ESCAPE MY STONE
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26 Mar 2019 01:18 #45
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Now I'm not saying I'm as easily motivated by money as morally sound causes...but two gold a pound is a solid price. Rats are pretty heavy creatures, especially around here.
Tom, would you happen to need a rat-catching assistant?
-Professor Winstonshire
Post-Script: Zanthios, your words hit me a bit closer to home than I had expected. I lost my parents a good five, debatably ten years ago now. By the twelve gods, do I have my days that I wish I hadn't...more days with that feeling than without, to be honest.
Despite all of that, I cannot in good conscience wish that they were back. Aeodra is a good place, a happy place. My parents deserve what they have there, and I have no doubt yours do as well. To bring them back would be to rob them of their peace. To wish they could not die would be to ensure that their moments of peace would never occur.
Perhaps you'd disagree. You have every right to, of course. Regardless, I shall take solace in the respite granted to those who pass, and attempt to bring people to that respite prematurely a bit less.
Tom, would you happen to need a rat-catching assistant?
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Post-Script: Zanthios, your words hit me a bit closer to home than I had expected. I lost my parents a good five, debatably ten years ago now. By the twelve gods, do I have my days that I wish I hadn't...more days with that feeling than without, to be honest.
Despite all of that, I cannot in good conscience wish that they were back. Aeodra is a good place, a happy place. My parents deserve what they have there, and I have no doubt yours do as well. To bring them back would be to rob them of their peace. To wish they could not die would be to ensure that their moments of peace would never occur.
Perhaps you'd disagree. You have every right to, of course. Regardless, I shall take solace in the respite granted to those who pass, and attempt to bring people to that respite prematurely a bit less.
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26 Mar 2019 03:39 #46
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MR. WinStOnShire
ALWAYS NEED MORE HANDS ON THE REINS AND ROCKS! HAPPY TA HAVE YA!
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ALWAYS NEED MORE HANDS ON THE REINS AND ROCKS! HAPPY TA HAVE YA!
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27 Mar 2019 07:41 - 27 Mar 2019 07:43 #47
by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
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Professor Winstonshire,
Firstly, if you ever need solace I do invite you to find me in the inn. I’ll maybe try to be there for you and all others hopefully the best I can for any situation. We are a community and alone I wish us not to be.
Secondly, I understand your idea concerning the topic. To be true, death seems assertive and oppressive given the lack of option to choose.
To be ripped from existence and placed elsewhere, away from the living, without choice is wrong and something I’ll maybe always be skeptical of and against.
With reverence and compassion I yield
Post-Script: Maybe we should seek a Druid that can perhaps simply guide the rats to a better home, outside of the inn.
Firstly, if you ever need solace I do invite you to find me in the inn. I’ll maybe try to be there for you and all others hopefully the best I can for any situation. We are a community and alone I wish us not to be.
Secondly, I understand your idea concerning the topic. To be true, death seems assertive and oppressive given the lack of option to choose.
To be ripped from existence and placed elsewhere, away from the living, without choice is wrong and something I’ll maybe always be skeptical of and against.
With reverence and compassion I yield
Post-Script: Maybe we should seek a Druid that can perhaps simply guide the rats to a better home, outside of the inn.
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27 Mar 2019 14:01 - 28 Mar 2019 22:56 #48
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We only offer money for dead rats.
Leading them away gains those interested nothing.
You would be essentially stealing the opportunity for other individuals to get paid. Without giving them a choice.
If you have no money nor means of obtaining food you die.
So go on murder the little people I, I, and I presume will be benefiting from our charity here.
Wretched fool.
You have the mind of a rodent.
Now this is all we will say, WE WHERE KIND, and didn't have you disappear after fallowing us so strikingly.
Whom stairs at the chamber pot for the time someone is passing waist, this is and was simply strange even by our tastes?
Your actions and words contradict and lead to dangerous conclusions form the minds of the sane we.
Abhorrently, uncoordinated, and RUDE you are. Should you be slain, it would be to benefit the whole. - S
Look at me! I'm sitting in a tree, playing with bird eggs. They juggle so before crashing to the ground, yet I killed no one. - M
CUT YOUR TONGUE OUT AND WHERE IT LIKE A NECKLACE YOU INCONSOLABLE FOOL.
TRIFLE OUR BUSINESS AGAIN, OR MERELY SPEAK TO US, AND YOU WILL FIND NOTHING BUT ~
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Leading them away gains those interested nothing.
You would be essentially stealing the opportunity for other individuals to get paid. Without giving them a choice.
If you have no money nor means of obtaining food you die.
So go on murder the little people I, I, and I presume will be benefiting from our charity here.
Wretched fool.
You have the mind of a rodent.
Now this is all we will say, WE WHERE KIND, and didn't have you disappear after fallowing us so strikingly.
Whom stairs at the chamber pot for the time someone is passing waist, this is and was simply strange even by our tastes?
Your actions and words contradict and lead to dangerous conclusions form the minds of the sane we.
Abhorrently, uncoordinated, and RUDE you are. Should you be slain, it would be to benefit the whole. - S
Look at me! I'm sitting in a tree, playing with bird eggs. They juggle so before crashing to the ground, yet I killed no one. - M
CUT YOUR TONGUE OUT AND WHERE IT LIKE A NECKLACE YOU INCONSOLABLE FOOL.
TRIFLE OUR BUSINESS AGAIN, OR MERELY SPEAK TO US, AND YOU WILL FIND NOTHING BUT ~
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28 Mar 2019 01:38 #49
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ZanthiOS,
BE IT TRU YE TRYNA THIEF GOLD FROM US? THA NO REL NAYBORLY O YE.
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BE IT TRU YE TRYNA THIEF GOLD FROM US? THA NO REL NAYBORLY O YE.
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Why are we still feeding the rats?
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Moostrav, are tips based of how uncomfortable we make Zanthios when we do the killin
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01 Apr 2019 09:10 #53
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yes.
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01 Apr 2019 15:06 #54
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GOT 2 AN HALF O 1.
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GOT 2 AN HALF O 1.
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05 Apr 2019 21:04 #55
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Please stop
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05 Apr 2019 21:25 #56
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6 gold to Tom Bell!
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The other half did not go to waste, it went in my belly.
I was hungry.
Annora
I was hungry.
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06 Apr 2019 03:18 #58
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I'll pay a druid to make best of this situation, for the benefit of the rats.
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Replied by Caelvan (Caelvan) on topic Please Stop Feeding the Giant Rats
It's their nature to scavenge. If they don't do it in the Dragons Claw, they'll do it in other buildings. Honestly, if a Drake, or any other animal wants to eat some, they're welcome to it. Such is the way nature is.
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06 Apr 2019 03:43 #60
by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
Replied by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios) on topic Please Stop Feeding the Giant Rats
Maybe a druid can assist the rats to a location that's optimal for us and them.
Not in a building and somewhere that's safer for them.
Nature doesn't mean moral.
Not in a building and somewhere that's safer for them.
Nature doesn't mean moral.
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